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NASA's big press release today was that a new form of DNA was discovered in a type of bacteria living in Mono Lake, California. DNA usually requires phosphorus to hold together the different "rungs" of the "ladder". On the periodic table of the elements, phosphorus falls directly above arsenic, meaning they have the same number of electrons in their outer shells, and therefore act similarly in forming molecules. This is the very reason that arsenic is well-known as a poison: it is easily incorporated into human (or animal, or plant) chemistry, it replaces the phosphorus, but it does a crappier job than phosphorus and even though it can form similar molecules they easily fall apart.

Apparently this bacterium has not only overcome that - there are many bacteria that can live in an arsenic-rich environment - but it even uses that fact. This bacterium can apparently switch between using phosphorus, and using arsenic, depending upon which is available in its environment.

NASA press release

A very slightly more technical article, including a description of tests used to determine that the arsenic is actually incorporated into the DNA.

And a couple blog posts, one from a science writer Ed Yong, one from astronomer-turned-science-writer Phil Plait.

Date: 2010-12-03 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemini6ice.livejournal.com
I thought this news was amazing, but I'm a bit surprised that NASA studies life on Earth at all. These bacteria were not found in the air or in space, but in a lake. I didn't think bodies of Earth water were part of their territory.

Date: 2010-12-03 04:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
Why on earth would you want to exobiologists who hadn't already made a very thorough study of life on Earth?

Date: 2010-12-03 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com
I wonder if it's the bio research version of astronaut training in swimming pools - practicing on earth the skills you'll need once you get out in space. . .

Date: 2010-12-03 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
Astronomy is the study of the universe, and the Earth is part of that. It's also the part we know the most about, so we spend a lot of time expanding our knowledge of Earth so that we can then better understand other bodied by comparison to Earth. As for astrobiology, the Earth the the single data point we have right now, so we need to milk that for all it's worth. A lot of astrobiology right mow is focued on Earthly extremophiles - life forms on Earth that inhabit conditions we consider to be "extreme", in temperatures, pressure, chemical composition, etc. This will hopefully help us to better know what conditions out there are capable of supporting life. For example, before this work we would have ruled out looking for life anywhere that had high concentrations of arsenic.

Date: 2010-12-03 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seekingferret.livejournal.com
Dear lord, I hope we wouldn't have ruled out looking for life anywhere with high concentrations of arsenic before this. Just because our form of DNA can't work with arsenic doesn't mean a life form without DNA and/or with an entirely different sort of chemistry might not function in a high arsenic environment.

Date: 2010-12-03 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
FWIW we do not currently have the technical ability to determine if any particular body has life. We need to be able to distinguish the spectrum of a planet from that of its star, and this is currently far beyond our capabilities for the vast majority of exoplanets that have been discovered, and barely beyond our capabilities for the few planets (I forget how many, but it's in the single digits) that we have been able to resolve separately from their stars. If we did have the ability, it's my understanding that we would be looking for an oxygen-rich environment and that the presence of oxygen is currently our main criterion for life. Yes I know that's limiting us to detecting plant-like life, but if we don't even know what other life forms are like, we certainly don't have any other criteria to detect them.

Date: 2010-12-03 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seekingferret.livejournal.com
You're limiting your 'we', as if the scientific establishment were a monolith, which is sometimes an excusable mistake. Certainly another important criteria for life, which isn't biology-dependent, is the organization of information. So some scientists are looking for signs of life using radio astronomy.

The presence of abundant Oxygen is a reasonable criterion to look for not merely because of its presence and significance to our own existences on Earth but because our knowledge of stellar chemistry tells us it's unusual to find in another star system, so we reason based on our limited experience that its presence is a good clue to investigate further. Needless to say, it's no kind of proof at all of any kind of life, and if we detected a planet rich in both oxygen and arsenic, as I said in my last post, I should hope we wouldn't have ruled it out as a candidate on the basis of its high arsenic level.

Date: 2010-12-05 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
You're right that information organization is "platform" independent. However, that limits us to a much more narrow section of life, in that it can only detect intelligent life forms that choose to communicate using radio waves. While it is a reasonable criterion as well, I think it is even more limiting than looking for planets with oxygen. However, the criterion of radio communications is currently a lot easier for us to search using.

And yeah, I hope you're right that if we found a planet with oxygen and lots of arsenic that we didn't just drop it and stop studying it. In reality we would probably continue to study it but not expect to find life.

Date: 2010-12-05 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not surprised that NASA *studies* extremophiles found on Earth; but I am surprised that they spend their resources searching Earth for them.

If the situation is that other researchers find weird life forms and contact NASA to say, "NASA-people! OMG, look what I found out" and NASA takes it to study... well, that makes more sense to me.

Date: 2010-12-05 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
We study the one example in depth and extrapolate out to learn more about other examples. This is always the case in science.

We breed fruit flies and study their DNA because they have quick reproduction cycles, and then use this to draw conclusions about human genetics. We infect mice with cancer and try different treatments on them so that we can learn how to treat cancer in humans. We use earthquakes here on Earth to determine the size of Earth's core, and relate that to the interior compositions of the Moon, Mars, and even Jupiter. We study the language of indigenous people in Siberia and from that we can better understand how languages relate to each other. We teach a parrot a few words and that tells us why humans even have language in the first place. We look at how birds are related throughout the islands of the Galapagos and this helps us understand how all species are related to each other. We watch an apple fall on the Earth and this spawns the study of gravity in the universe.

The process of extrapolation is crucial to all fields of science. It is 100% necessary for us to study the small things close to home that we can easily put our hands on in order for us to understand the big picture. As an added bonus, these seemingly insignificant things tend to cost less money than the huge intractable projects, and yet will lead to great things down the road.

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