Spectrum

Mar. 4th, 2008 11:20 am
asterroc: (Astro - H-alpha)
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When you google for "electromagnetic spectrum" images for a presentation you're doing for an astro class, among the top 20 hits is this.



I'd totally forgotten about it.

Date: 2008-03-04 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Yeah, this is pretty much made of awesome. I may have to get a poster at some point.

Although I have to point out two obvious flaws:

(1) The Main Death Star Laser is clearly in the visible spectrum. Duh.

(2) The Sinister Google Projects are in an entirely different part of the spectrum.

(Wait. Did I say that out loud?...Oh, hi, Sergey, what's up? No, just doing a bit of blog commenting before I...hey! What is that?)

;)

Date: 2008-03-04 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
Just because it has some spillover into visible light doesn't mean that's where the majority of its power is. It's also possible that the visible light is actually produced by a secondary process such as ionization of the material it passes through, or Cherenkov radiation, or Compton scattering, or something else like that.

Date: 2008-03-04 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
I will not argue with an actual physicist. I will ask a few questions, though:

(1) It's passing through hard vacuum. Can there be enough material there to ionize that you'd be able to see it? (Same argument seems to apply to Compton scattering.)

(2) Isn't Cerenkov radiation blue?

(And yes, I know, if it _were_ a laser we wouldn't be able to see the beam from the side in a vacuum in the first place.)

You know, (1) makes me think...let's suppose that you _wanted_ to create a visual effect like that of the Death Star Laser in hard vacuum. How could it be done?

Date: 2008-03-04 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
let's suppose that you _wanted_ to create a visual effect like that of the Death Star Laser in hard vacuum. How could it be done?

Plasma!

Date: 2008-03-04 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
So a beam of plasma? Neato!

Yeah, as I said, ask an engineer. :)

Date: 2008-03-04 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
More like a packet, really. You could electromagnetically accelerate it.

You'll notice that "lasers" in Star Wars have perceptible travel times, meaning they can't actually be lasers. Clearly, they are plasma slugs.

Date: 2008-03-04 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com
2) yeah, you're right, my bad.

1, 3) In a real true complete vacuum? Don't think it could be done.

However, this's just interplanetary space, it's not a true vacuum (to an astronomer). Probably more of a vacuum than what we can do in a lab on Earth, but still, there's enough stuff there that some of my ideas aren't completely impossible. There's enough stuff that that it glows to the naked eye even (see zodiacal dust and zodiacal light), so I'm sure with a little work some engineer could really make that effect happen.

I'd call the space between galaxies a vacuum, but within a solar system and between planets is positively dense, and even between stars within a galaxy has got enough dust that it's problematic for astronomers to look in those directions in our Milky Way.

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